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Hi all,

Just removed the air box and installed individual K&N filters. Can I now disconnect and remove all the stuff which controls the valve i.e. solenoid valve, surge tank etc?

Cheers

Max

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Hi all,
Just removed the air box and installed individual K&N filters. Can I now disconnect and remove all the stuff which controls the valve i.e. solenoid valve, surge tank etc?
Cheers
Max

Gidday Max, thank christ someones using the forum.
Basically, yes.
When you get in and look at it, its pretty clear. Dont touch the ISC.
cheers

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ok max what's it like, what deference's if any did you notice, iam thinking of doing the same cheers   

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Omeo, thanks for getting back to me, I thought as much but just wanted to be sure there wasn't something else linked in.

Bogan, as for how it runs; I don't know yet as the bike is still in pieces with all the other mods I'm doing but I'm not expecting any real performance increase it will just work better with my new air scoop.

As for posting on the forum we really need to contribute rather than just reading other posts if we want this site to survive (I'm just as guilty as everyone else). Before Laz quit I think the site was only kept going by posts from our friends down under. Actions being louder than words I'll start a build thread on my bike today, hopefully someone finds it interesting.

Cheers

Max
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Omeo, thanks for getting back to me, I thought as much but just wanted to be sure there wasn't something else linked in.

Bogan, as for how it runs; I don't know yet as the bike is still in pieces with all the other mods I'm doing but I'm not expecting any real performance increase it will just work better with my new air scoop.

As for posting on the forum we really need to contribute rather than just reading other posts if we want this site to survive (I'm just as guilty as everyone else). Before Laz quit I think the site was only kept going by posts from our friends down under. Actions being louder than words I'll start a build thread on my bike today, hopefully someone finds it interesting.

Cheers

Absolutely, love to see it.
I came across the dealer advice PDF of the stage 2 and 3 yesterday. I'll make it available online later in the week. It includes the removal of those items.
Must take a pic or two of the re-polishing of the swingarm on mine. More importantly about the perils of trying to protect your polishing with a clear coat of 2 pack. This is a RE polish, note.

Max

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Removing the air valve is a great mod and if I remember rightly (I don't always) :(
Take the valve and other parts off link the the stubs on the throttle bodies together with a pipe. start warm up and reset the idle then you will need to reset the tps position and vola. A small fixed  throttle input is needed to start from cold. don.t set the tick over too high or low the engine managment light wil come on   ;)

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Looking forward to pictures of this mod.

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Hi all,

Just removed the air box and installed individual K&N filters. Can I now disconnect and remove all the stuff which controls the valve i.e. solenoid valve, surge tank etc?

Cheers

Max

Hi all!

Just for your info...

I also installed K&N last year and was surprised at the light transmittance of the filter which made me a little cautious.
I found this K&N filter review couple weeks ago: http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/kn-vs-oem-filter.html
Now I am going back to OEM.

I hope the info will be useful.

Armando


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Hi Armando,

Great to have someone new commenting.

I read through the article a couple of times and I feel there are 3 salient points missing. First is they do not give the surface area of each filter, secondly they do not say how much surface area was presented to flow and were all the filters the same shape?

The first point is obvious surface area is all important in a calculation/test like this. The second point is equally important, if one filter was flat to flow it's going to have different flow characteristics to an oval/conical shape filter. The area at the back of an oval filter will be in an eddy - turbulent area. Again the shape of the filter greatly affects flow through it. In my view this kind of makes the tests meaningless.

One point is true though; when it comes to a filter with an oil film it has the potential to clog faster than a plain paper filter. The dirt will coagulate with the oil and block the filter, hence the need to clean oil film filters more regularly than paper.

As for claims your engine and system are set up for max performance, we all know this is not true. They're set up to pass very strict emissions tests. Take for example, I was once looking to take my 6 month old BMW bike to the US with me as I was planning to be there a number of years. After talking with BMW at both ends, I had to jack the idea due to the incredible emissions standards required. The bike in the US was strangled compared to the EU model! The harder the emission standards the more power you loose. Removing all the emissions crap will always improve power so long as it's suitably re-tuned.

I think most will agree best performance will be seen with the bike set up correctly to run with an open Velocity Stack however there's a lot of tuning for our bike to run in that format i.e. Stage 3 level.

When I chose to do the K&N swap I took into account the generally held view that the MT-01 runs rich and I chose a filter with a comparable flow area to that in the standard box, although flow around it is entirely different. To be honest I'm not expecting a big gain in power I just didn't have the heart to put that big heap of plastic back in the bike, weight alone must give me a second on the 0-60 :))

Cheers

Max

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I have a KN filter in my stock -05 but I am considering installing a factory filter this winter. The reason is that an injected and lambda controlled engine only runs in closed loop at more or less constant power settings. When accelerating the fuel is injected acc to the fuelling map based on speed, throttle postion etc. If you install a less restrictive air filter without doing anything else the bike may be a bit lean during acceleration and not as powerful as it should be. At constant power the KN filter may improve fuel consumption marginally.
That's the theory anyway. It will be interesting to see if reality is in accordance.